California Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed a law Sunday that would have expanded the state’s privacy protections to ban the sales of online users’ sensitive information, breaking with a group of states that have prohibited the practice.
Ok that’s all well and good far as theory goes but practically speaking that’s not particularly useful and, again, more or less defaults to the republicans winning which is unambiguously worse materially and practically speaking. We hold the democratic party accountable by primarying incumbents with progressives and preventing republican obstructionism. Any other option accelerates the fascism with the vague hope that it’ll somehow foment a global socialist revolution. It’s not really feasible. In fifteen years the fundamentalist ideologists completely overthrew the republican party and yet you all keep arguing we can’t do the same with the dems. We could, if all of us voted in every election. It’s not too late or they wouldn’t be trying to prevent us from voting. Like I more or less agree with you philosophically but you’ve all already given up on change within the system, and that leaves the only option being total destruction of the system. Most of us die before that ever happens. Letting the worst option win is never the right call.
Without a genuine progressive in the next election cycle, then the Nazis are guaranteed to win in 2032 and do more than if the Trumpians win in 2028.
That’s silly, if they win in 28 there won’t be voting in 32. This is our last chance to avoid full fascist collapse. Republicans can never again hold enough power to obstruct a progressive agenda or the country will collapse and the only option for trans people will be to get out. There isn’t going to be a global socialist revolution. The fascists have autonomous murder drones and we all are constantly surveilled. It’ll mostly just get us all killed.
That’s silly, if they win in 28 there won’t be voting in 32. This is our last chance to avoid full fascist collapse.
Sorry, but the last chance to preserve liberal democracy was 2024. That result and the following liberal response to it convinced me that positive change will not happen until the public get more serious about challenging the system than they were during the progressive era. Until the socialists are have so much popularity that the liberals feel the need to compromise with us, they will never take a step in our direction.
The oligarchs hold all the cards because we let them, perfectly playing on liberal hopes and dreams to keep them from actually demanding the policies we need. The make us vote for weak candidates so they can dupe working class conservatives into voting for people who actually acknowledge that shit is broken. If the controlled opposition candidates succeed, then they’ll know our collars still perfectly secure.
Setting the bar at global socialist revolution tells me that you buy their bullshit hook-line-and-sinker; that you would rather hold the left back than push the center forward. Nothing makes me more convinced that there won’t be change than people who refuse to accept what stage of the game we’re in.
If it was too late for voting to make a difference the republicans wouldn’t be trying to take it from you. You shouldn’t need any more motivation to keep them from power at all costs.
You do that by running progressives and voting in the fuckin primaries but goddamn progressives don’t fucking vote and then fucking wonder why the democratic party doesn’t cater to non-fucking-voters.
There are less socialists than there are MAGAts. This country will kill every last trans person with a smile on its face before it ever has a socialist revolution. It’s not in the realm of reality, whatsoever. Your best option here is total fascism leading to social collapse and hoping magically something socialist comes through the other side. If you’re aware of literally any human history whatsoever you know that’s not what’s going to happen. I appreciate your philosophical position, but it’s not realistically tenable. We all die and the country burns down first. So please, I would love nothing more than for one of you to explain how letting the republicans take total power is better. Like how does that play out in reality? What evidence is there to suggest that whatever you hope happens even could happen? Every republican needs to lose every election at any cost from here on out or we’re all gonna die.
You’re the one setting the bar at socialist revolution; all I’ve ever claimed is that we should vote towards is compromise where liberals don’t give billionaires everything they want. You’re strawmaning me because you can’t deal with my actual position.
The worst part of all this is that Newsom isn’t just a shitty Democrat; he’s a fascist reject. The only thing that kept him from joining the Republicans was Trump personally disliking him. Unlike the Hakeem Jeffries of the party, he isn’t even really a liberal anymore. The man who publicly sits at the table with a Nazi is a Nazi, and he really liked his talks with Charlie fucking Kirk. If it’s Trump vs Newsom, it’s fascist vs fascist.
Ok that’s all well and good far as theory goes but practically speaking that’s not particularly useful and, again, more or less defaults to the republicans winning which is unambiguously worse materially and practically speaking. We hold the democratic party accountable by primarying incumbents with progressives and preventing republican obstructionism. Any other option accelerates the fascism with the vague hope that it’ll somehow foment a global socialist revolution. It’s not really feasible. In fifteen years the fundamentalist ideologists completely overthrew the republican party and yet you all keep arguing we can’t do the same with the dems. We could, if all of us voted in every election. It’s not too late or they wouldn’t be trying to prevent us from voting. Like I more or less agree with you philosophically but you’ve all already given up on change within the system, and that leaves the only option being total destruction of the system. Most of us die before that ever happens. Letting the worst option win is never the right call.
That’s silly, if they win in 28 there won’t be voting in 32. This is our last chance to avoid full fascist collapse. Republicans can never again hold enough power to obstruct a progressive agenda or the country will collapse and the only option for trans people will be to get out. There isn’t going to be a global socialist revolution. The fascists have autonomous murder drones and we all are constantly surveilled. It’ll mostly just get us all killed.
Sorry, but the last chance to preserve liberal democracy was 2024. That result and the following liberal response to it convinced me that positive change will not happen until the public get more serious about challenging the system than they were during the progressive era. Until the socialists are have so much popularity that the liberals feel the need to compromise with us, they will never take a step in our direction.
The oligarchs hold all the cards because we let them, perfectly playing on liberal hopes and dreams to keep them from actually demanding the policies we need. The make us vote for weak candidates so they can dupe working class conservatives into voting for people who actually acknowledge that shit is broken. If the controlled opposition candidates succeed, then they’ll know our collars still perfectly secure.
Setting the bar at global socialist revolution tells me that you buy their bullshit hook-line-and-sinker; that you would rather hold the left back than push the center forward. Nothing makes me more convinced that there won’t be change than people who refuse to accept what stage of the game we’re in.
If it was too late for voting to make a difference the republicans wouldn’t be trying to take it from you. You shouldn’t need any more motivation to keep them from power at all costs.
Republicans aren’t the end all be all enemy. A party can lose, but the oligarchs really can’t unless we take one of the parties away from them.
You do that by running progressives and voting in the fuckin primaries but goddamn progressives don’t fucking vote and then fucking wonder why the democratic party doesn’t cater to non-fucking-voters.
There are less socialists than there are MAGAts. This country will kill every last trans person with a smile on its face before it ever has a socialist revolution. It’s not in the realm of reality, whatsoever. Your best option here is total fascism leading to social collapse and hoping magically something socialist comes through the other side. If you’re aware of literally any human history whatsoever you know that’s not what’s going to happen. I appreciate your philosophical position, but it’s not realistically tenable. We all die and the country burns down first. So please, I would love nothing more than for one of you to explain how letting the republicans take total power is better. Like how does that play out in reality? What evidence is there to suggest that whatever you hope happens even could happen? Every republican needs to lose every election at any cost from here on out or we’re all gonna die.
You’re the one setting the bar at socialist revolution; all I’ve ever claimed is that we should vote towards is compromise where liberals don’t give billionaires everything they want. You’re strawmaning me because you can’t deal with my actual position.
The worst part of all this is that Newsom isn’t just a shitty Democrat; he’s a fascist reject. The only thing that kept him from joining the Republicans was Trump personally disliking him. Unlike the Hakeem Jeffries of the party, he isn’t even really a liberal anymore. The man who publicly sits at the table with a Nazi is a Nazi, and he really liked his talks with Charlie fucking Kirk. If it’s Trump vs Newsom, it’s fascist vs fascist.
I’m not strawmanning anything, you’ve literally just said let the republicans win.
So we’re back to your solution being letting the republicans win. That is fundamentally unacceptable to me.