This is going to be a fun one.
So here are the facts:
I commented on a news article about a mother and adult son charged with incest (and adultery as well for her.) This is what I said:
Someone responded to me and I replied before I realized my original comment was removed for being inappropriate. Then I added the edit when I saw.
The next day I discovered I’d been banned from that community for “pro-incest comments” and several others I don’t think I’ve ever been in for rule 4 violations. The orignal post was removed.
You can see those here:
Site rule 4 is: Usernames or posts/comments containing transphobia, homophobia, sexism, racism, ableism, zionism, anti-veganism, or trivializing COVID. No self-described or obvious fascists, conservatives, or reactionaries.
My comments had none of those things. I’d even go so far as to say my banning was reactionary.
Now, I’m not defending incest, especially not for myself. My problem is with puritanical laws interfering with the private sex lives of people. In my original comment I stated that grooming was a separate issue and should be dealt with, but that there is nothing inherently wrong with incest. That is, enthusiastic consensual sex between capable adults.
I know someone will bring up the Hapsburgs, so yes, children of incest should be avoided.
Leaving aside whether the rule was the right one to use, I will stress that, when it comes to incest, the power dynamics in play make consent dubious at best. This is doubly so for parent/child incest, such as the case you were talking about.
This is a weird hill. Are you sure you want to die on it?
OP is such a fucking train wreck. This is all you do: make shitty comments, get banned, and then cry about it incessantly.
The last time I lit you up for this shit I had absolutely no idea that next time would be because you were going to bat for incest. Fucking freak.
Wow. Still mad that a bunch of people shut you down last time, hey?
I post here because I enjoy the posts here, so I contribute.
Somehow roasts from the incest freak don’t really bother me. Keep getting banned everywhere you go though, it’s really funny.
YDM. Only a seven day ban, from a couple communities? Got off too lightly.
You’re not considering the full picture, and looking at it in a vacuum. The vast majority of people are not ok with incest, so the probability of two people in the same family just happening to be into it is incredibly low. It’s far more likely that something fucked up is happening, that there was grooming, that the child was taught it was normal, and it’s very possible they were subject to sexual abuse as a child, which is often incredibly difficult to prove. Even in the best case, the power dynamics are very fucked.
You’re assuming that the only opposition to it comes only from “puritanical” attitudes. In fact, there are very strong arguments against it from the perspective of consent, especially when it’s considered not in some theoretical abstract, but in the practical, material reality of what those cases tend to look like.
Doubling down on it just looks worse. The seven day ban seems like it’s just giving you a chance to realize that you’re wrong, if that’s not happening you should probably be permabanned.
“giving you a chance to realize that you’re wrong, if that’s not happening you should probably be permabanned.” for… what crime? Or are they adding “no defending incest between adults” to the rules?
Rules aren’t designed to cover every possible hot take a person can have.
they kind are… banning at whim when no rules are being broken is exactly what a power tripping bastard does
I don’t see it that way at all. Mods aren’t supposed to be robots, they can use their own judgement in banning someone that’s technically following the letter of a rule, or not banning someone who’s technically breaking it.
In any case, I presume the mod would say that their position is reactionary.
Not entering into the merit of how the position is actually the opposite of reactionary, precedent created, mod should just add “no defending incest whatsoever” to the rules, issue warning, and enforce after it
Not entering into the merit of how the position is actually the opposite of reactionary
Making it easier for people to get away with rape and grooming sounds pretty damn reactionary to me.
mod should just add “no incest” to the rules, issue warning, and enforce after it
They could, but I don’t think it’s a common enough occurrence to need it. Like, if somebody comes around saying, I don’t know, “Kill everyone who’s uncircumcised” does there really need to be a rule specifically against that for them to get banned? Why?
