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The lemmy.ml admins couldn’t handle someone pointing that any conversation about Palestine should be centered around the Palestinian victims undergoing a literal genocide and not on Judaism, because in the present day Jews are just privileged white people who aren’t facing any systemic oppression but are even systemically privileged.
An instance pretending to give a voice for the the Global South in the end just censors non-Eurocentric opinions to the point of censoring for genocide.
Apparently they didn’t instantly delete the comment after banning me but did so hours afterwards, probably because others agreed with me.
This part of the post pertains a feddit.uk post which I assumed was a crosspost but this was not removed by the lemmy.ml admin and this part can be ignored. Leaving it here for reference
The admins feddit.uk mods also removed a post from my own community because the post cites TheDailyMail and that is not a “reliable source” despite the headline being completely verified including a link to the UK government report itself. Might as well introduce MBFC next.
Here is TheGuardian saying the same thing: Government expected to accept recommendations of review, which found three in five Jewish students had experienced prejudice. And here is an even more extensive debunk of the report found on the “ultra radically left” /s Hasan Piker subreddit
Maybe stop repeating anti simetic tropes. Its not just ugly it makes you look dumb and by association make the entire instance look dumb and racist.
Name the antisemitic tropes. Oh wait you can’t you’re just a Zionist.
Talmud says you can lie to acquit a jew aganist a non-jew (baba kamma 113a)
Then you see conviction rate of palestinians vs israelis in occupied palestine. But if you connect the two, you are anti-semitic.
When a palestinian is murdered, their murderers say they are jewish, but if the palestinian being murdered were to condemn jews, they would be called anti-semitic.
Sure there are peaceful, non-zionist jews like natura karta. But vast majority jews do support israeli actions.
If mosques in Europe and USA invited leaders of alqaeda or ISIS, and praised them, nobody would hesitate in condemning muslims.
Until synagogues start condemning Israeli state like mosques condemn ISIS and alqaeda, judaism is zionism. Anyone who think otherwise is just a hypocrite.
Sure there are peaceful, non-zionist jews like natura karta. But vast majority jews do support israeli actions.
Irrelevant. The percentage of Jews who are Zionists does not matter, unless it’s 100%. It is still more accurate to target criticism at Zionists, a category that includes the entire problem and only the problem, than at Jews, only some of whom are part of the problem, and who don’t cover the entire problem. Objecting to the distinction between Jews and Zionists and calling it “Hasbara” is completely wrong.
If mosques in Europe and USA invited leaders of alqaeda or ISIS, and praised them, nobody would hesitate in condemning muslims.
Bullshit. I would absolutely not blame Muslims in general for the actions of some mosques. Just because there are lots of people who are racists doesn’t mean we all are.
Damn, only three days. I was hoping they got rid of you for good.
I will repeat the phrase that caused you to label me a “genocidal Zionist liberal” and block me, so that you can block me on this account too.
You’re just here to pick fights with everyone, while pretending like you care at all about Palestinians to try to give yourself a blank check for your shitty behavior. If only you read actual theory instead of watching some dumbass youtuber’s controversy bait.
Weird your comment is much much longer and doesn’t say that at all. I guess you have to keep lying to keep the Zionism alive.
Zionists trying to tone police the movement like you should be perma’d.
It literally says that exact phrase, word for word. Who do you expect to fool with such a flimsy lie? People too lazy to click the link?
Zionists trying to tone police the movement like you should be perma’d.
As someone who completely and unequivocally condemns Zionism, I agree completely.
We should also be permabanning edgelords like yourself who criticize antizionists for not being sufficiently racist, and who think that not being racist is the same thing as being a Zionist.
No, I’m not policing “the Palestinian movement” on tone, I’m policing you on doing your level best to muddy the waters on a black-and-white issue.
This is what your concern troll comment says. Thank you for proving my point and keeping lying.
You will take my position in a year and then pretend to have always been on the right side like a true Platnerite.
You’re really doubling down on this blatant lie?
You will take my position in a year
I’ll be dead in the ground before I take your position, racist, lying scum.
Wow you highlighted an entirely different part of the comment great job. You sure proved your point by confirming you lied.
Even fencesitter tier leftists like Noah Samsen have already voiced my position. https://youtu.be/b0Ot0me5ocQ
You are going to voice it whenever the celebrity you worship starts doing. Who is it, Hasan Piker?
I show you direct evidence that I said what I claimed I said, and you’re still lying? I don’t know that I’ve ever seen someone lying so blatantly.
You are going to voice it whenever the celebrity you worship starts doing. Who is it, Hasan Piker?
I really, really need you to understand that not everyone is like you where they’re obsessed with some random idiot on Youtube or Twitch and blindly follow whatever the fuck they say. Some of us read books which are also known as theory. And think critically about those books even! You should try it sometime!
Maybe V.I. Lenin is just poaching Bad Empanada’s ideas and in a couple years he’ll wake up, punch through the glass Simpsons’ style, and say “Actually, we should be hating the Jewish race instead of the state of Israel.” At which point I would realize that I’ve misjudged him terribly and reevaluate everything I’ve read of his.
Your understanding of reading was “All Palestians believe in the Elders of Zion”
Don’t pretend. You just have a bookcase full of stuff you never read past the introduction.
Yeah, .ml has deliberately unclear rules, allowing mods to ban anyone who disagrees with them for vague reasons, or no reason at all. Anyone disrupting the echo chamber is liable for a banhammerin’.
It is pretty funny how they can’t even run an online community without censorship and bans, though!
It is pretty funny how they can’t even run an online community without censorship and bans, though!
We went over this already: literally no one can run a freeze peach zone without it metastasizing into a Nazi bar.
You can do “I ban Nazis” without “I ban anyone who disagrees with me”. Unless you think anyone who disagrees with your politics is a Nazi, which is funny in a different way.
Your instance has censorship and bans too, and also, just two weeks ago I saw people criticize .ml for not banning this exact user.
It doesn’t matter what we do or don’t do, y’all will always find a reason to shit on us.
I mean, Zionism is the advocacy of an ethnostate, so yes obviously it’s racism? It’s asserting (a very particular flavor of) Jewish supremacy, specifically with the intent of eliminating Palestinians.
The comment itself might be seen as splitting hairs but to ban over that is silly. This is ML though, and getting into the weeds over words turns into a massive spiral in leftist spaces as it is. Even more so in small comms (Lemmy is small), so it’s not surprising that the mod went so overboard. PTB
He wasn’t banned for saying Zionism is racism, the mods on .ml agree with that part completely.
It was the part where he was strongly critical of distinguishing Zionism from Judaism, going so far to call that “Hasbara slop,” when the reality is that Zionists are constantly trying to equate the two. He hates it when people distinguish the two because he wants to use the genocide of Gaza as an excuse to be an edgelord and adopt antisemitic positions.
You are a Zionist concern troll. You have been explained many times why you are wrong but instead prefer to keep lying.
I completely and unequivocally condemn the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel. From the river to the sea, Palestine must be free.
Based on that, I’ll let literally every other person, those that don’t have their brains completely rotted out by Bad Empanada, decide whether I’m a “Zionist concern troll”.
And there is the crux of your problem you are incapable of understanding arguments because your only way of interacting with them is whether you like the person. “If BadEmpanada says it then it must be false!”. Cult of personality leftist.
Cult of personality leftist.
This is the biggest projection of any projection that anyone has ever projected.
“If you don’t blindly follow this Youtuber I’m obsessed with and suddenly become racist when he tells you to, like I do, you’re in a cult of personality!”
Unlike you I don’t blindly follow or oppose anyone. I have plenty of gripes with BE but that won’t stop me from posting their good takes because I don’t do Zionist wrecker purity testing like you do to expell every anti Palestian voice from the movement.
expell every anti Palestian voice from the movement.
Freudian slip?
You want to expel my voice because I didn’t meet your purity test by not being racist enough.
You’re better off just blocking the lemmy triad. Your mental health will thank you.
Oh the irony. I truly believe you have them all blocked. Because this is not their main account. Their main account was @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml . But this is a good lesson on the problems of the state. It will persecute you for random capricious and vindictive reasons whether or not you are right or wrong. Especially the more micromanaged and centralized it is run. It becomes the leadership classes personal fiefdom.
It will persecute you for random capricious and vindictive reasons whether or not you are right or wrong.
Calling a three day ban “persecution” is beyond parody (not to mention comparing an instance to a state), and it’s not for “random capricious and vindictive reasons” it’s because the user is an edgelord who edged too close to antisemitism.
