Germany has said Russia was responsible for last month’s drone attack at Leipzig’s airport.

A drone carrying an explosive device was discovered at Leipzig/Halle Airport in eastern Germany, close to Ukrainian cargo planes, on 4 August.

  • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe
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    2 months ago

    I’m pretty baffled by this.

    The spymasters say Russia is testing NATO’s resolve. But all these tests have made NATO stronger. E.g. the invasion of Ukraine pushed Sweden and Finland to join NATO.

    They also say Russia is planning something major, soon, to really drive a wedge between countries in NATO. I’m guessing it will be an immigration crisis à la Ceuta, which in the past has caused Schengen countries to reactivate border controls.

    Even that has been pretty weak tea if the mission is the dismantling of NATO or the EU.

    Russia has mostly succeeded in uniting its foes by being an external antagonist.

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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      2 months ago

      Yeah… On the surface that may be true. But it would be hard to say that NATO is as strong as it was ten years ago, even if you include the added members.

      Replicating American right wing extremism in Europe is more dangerous to NATO than any kind of actual invasion. Having the adf take off the same way maga did in the US would be devastating to NATO.

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        2 months ago

        Respectfully disagree. Before Ukraine 2014, NATO was the answer to a question that wasn’t really relevant anymore.

        Even after 2014, NATO largely shrugged and decided that because of Sevastopol, Crimea was basically Russia’s anyway.

        Ukraine 2022 has seen NATO pull together arguably more than any other time in history. And Ukraine isn’t even a member.

        Donald’s attempts to weaken it may have strengthened it. He’s demanding Europe raise spending and take responsibility. Great. His threats to throw Europe to the wolves are more about extracting bribes and concessions. And to an extent, justifying moving chess pieces to Iran and South America.

        Even if he somehow completely pulled America out of NATO, that can be undone by the next administration. And even if it can’t, there’s nothing that says America couldn’t still come to the aid of Europe.

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          Respectfully disagree. Before Ukraine 2014, NATO was the answer to a question that wasn’t really relevant anymore.

          I mean, yeah. That was the purpose. Bush Jr. decided in 2008 that Ukraine and Georgia are going to join Nato, and Russia said they will do everything they can to prevent that. 2014, one coup later, we’re at war. And very clearly Germany is at war with Russia, sending war material to Ukraine.

          Has it made Europe and Nato stronger? It make Nato relevant again. It made EU and Nato the same. Now Nato 3.0 is already ratified to take 5% GDP. You think this will make Europe stronger? Lack of energy imports, now with Iran too, no fertilizer with 40% less food production predicted for 2027, AI bubble popping soon… where do you see strength?

          I see Europe as finished with a completely inevitable slide to fascism by now and breaking apart. It’s going to be Le Pen, AFD and UKIP ruling next. Most realist thinkers and analysts and professors from the cold war era is saying the Ukraine war was the worst blunder in the history of Nato. It was supposed to prevent war, not provoke it.

          And media and discourse has completely degenerated. Any voice to the contrary is immediately maligned as a Russian propagandists or bot. You get fired for having this opinion today. This is stronger? I thought liberalism made Europe strong but that is gone now. Meanwhile our Nato emperor is stealing Venezuela’s oil, good thing Machado won that nobel peace price lol. But somehow Nato is benevolent and has to be spread to all corners of the earth. You people are completely insane to me.

          Ukraine has been turned into a quasi-landlocked country and 90% of it’s warehouses have been bombed in retaliation to the wildberry escalations. General Kellog says conscription of women is a feminist issue lol. Lets just hope the winter will be incredibly mild.

          So you’re right, Nato was the answer to a question that wasn’t relevant any more, and we engineered the situation to bring us back into a new cold war. Thanks Obama.