Billy Corgan looking like Bill Burrs evil twin
Brothers from another mother often resemble each other…
Rose McGowan and Evan Rachel Wood seem more trustworthy. Like, they don’t text Jonny Depp about fucking teenagers, for starters.
That “I don’t want the world to tell me who my friends are” line really bothers me. Nobody asked him to stop being friends. He’s just upset that staying friends with known abusers has very obvious connotations, and wants to frame the two of them as victims instead. What a coward.
Corgan has a long history of being a whiny ass piece of shit to his fans that don’t get how much of a genius he really is.
So this is on brand for him.
a further reminder that neither of these people deserve your money
And now he’s getting skewered by social media for not obeying the loudest people on it. We’re all free to have non-conforming opinions, as long as we don’t express them.
yeah that tends to happen when you stand with abusers. let me know when corgan gets arrested for it, until then maybe you want to google “free speech” and stop implicitly advocating to take away people’s speech just because it’s on social media. you aren’t free from criticism.
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Criticism, involves discussion. Nonconforming comments are frequently submerged by douchevotes so people won’t see them, with no engagement at all. To me that’s more like vandalism or plugging your ears and saying “na-na-na-na-na-na…”
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On social media an accusation is usually treated like a Guilty verdict. I have no idea what the Marilyn Manson thing is about, but on social media it really doesn’t matter. People like to take in minimal information and make an instant, irrevocable binary judgement - good or evil, swipe left or right. Mentioning nuance means you’re automatically on the wrong side. That’s junk thinking - organic brain “slop” - and the fact that it’s becoming more and more the standard is MUCH scarier than AI or any other external boogyman.
On social media an accusation is usually treated like a Guilty verdict. I have no idea what the Marilyn Manson thing is about, but on social media it really doesn’t matter. People like to take in minimal information and make an instant, irrevocable binary judgement - good or evil, swipe left or right. Mentioning nuance means you’re automatically on the wrong side. That’s junk thinking - organic brain “slop” - and the fact that it’s becoming more and more the standard is MUCH scarier than AI or any other external boogyman.
The fact that you’ll defend Marilyn fucking Manson without looking into the allegations at all just lays bare that you don’t believe victims ever.
Much more of an indictment of you than anyone throwing side eye at Marilyn Manson.
Reading comprehension, Velma. I’m not defending Manson, I’m defending Corgan for standing by a close friend he seems to believe is innocent.
Nah, your comment was directly defending Manson:
I have no idea what the Marilyn Manson thing is about, but on social media it really doesn’t matter. People like to take in minimal information and make an instant, irrevocable binary judgement - good or evil, swipe left or right.
That’s a direct defense of Manson, sweet Lovable Sidekick. Maybe the reading comprehension needs to be strengthened on your side of the aisle here.
The hell it is. All I’ve said is that Manson hasn’t been found guilty by due process, and it’s totally normal and human of Gorgan not to give up on a close friend. Somebody here told me to be real. That’s real. Either you’re human enough to see it or you’re not.
You literally said it doesn’t matter if Manson is guilty.
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Does losing all your friendships make you more or less likely to improve your character?
Nobody says you have to abandon close friends that have made huge mistakes, you can help them through it while recognizing their faults - as long as they are doing the healthy thing in admitting culpability and working on positive ways forward.
What is generally ill-advised is telling the world that you are just going to ignore the mistakes or pretend they didn’t happen so thay you can keep hanging with your deeply-flawed buddy. That shit’s just unhealthy for all involved.
I can speak from experience here - one of our friend group, we’d been good friends for years without red flags that any of us noticed, was very credibly accused of rape, and we believed the victim’s story. None of us are still friends with the rapist any more. This is a good thing. Don’t remain friends with “friends that have made huge mistakes” if those “mistakes” have permanently traumatized victims and the “friend” turns out to be a fucking predator. That’s what we’re talking about under a Marilyn Manson story, not a “could happen to anyone” forgivable mistake.
That was aimed at your first paragraph. I agree with your second paragraph.
Yes, absolutely there are limits, and you have to weigh your personal investment and history with the friend and if it’s something you even want to (or can) move on from if they change.
I don’t know much about the Manson or Corgan stories, I was just responding to the question of ‘well what happens when these people lose all their friends, is that going to help them learn and grow?’.
