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A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 days ago

Can someone fill me in on the ziq-anark drama?

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Can someone fill me in on the ziq-anark drama?

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A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 days ago
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Source: https://raddle.me/f/Anarchy/217949/the-anark-led-badjacketing-campaign-has-started-because-i

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    11 days ago

    It’s just quoting Anark’s own words: https://www.reddit.com/r/Postleftanarchism/comments/1viq2uy/yes_youtube_personality_anark_wants_to_build/

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      Did you even bother to look up the context of this excerpt?

      cc @comrade_spood@quokk.au @deme@sopuli.xyz

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        Yeah a prison with a focus on rehabilitation is still a prison. Nordic prisons sure are nicer than american ones for example, but they’re still prisons and to not call them that is just silly. In the video the only difference to a nordic prison is that it’s managed by a smaller scale community.

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          prison with a focus on rehabilitation is still a prison

          anark: all laws and enumerated measures for reparations and rehabilitation not expressed in the constitution would be outlined. […] Justice: repairing the wrongs that have been done and preventing further ones from being committed

          The distinction anark argues is that there are outliers that wish injustice that do not desire to reparate & rehabilitate, what would be the corrective action to take? Compost, servitute, banishment?

          Reparations centers are not prisons. Contemporary correctional facilities are slave plantations. So how do we move from private prisons to correcting behavior?

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            Anark’s comment sound like liberalism.

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              10 days ago

              How so?

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                “laws”, “reparations”, “constitutions”, “justice”.

                People calling themselves anarchists have always been the hipster thing to do, the “I’m totally radical” without any self critique.

                This is how anarchy looks like in regards to prisons, specially relevant because they do mention Anark:

                https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination

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                  “laws”, “reparations”, “constitutions”, “justice”.

                  which have exact meanings in anarchist theory, where Anark went out of his way to distinguish. Do you assume anarchist society don’t have rules, baseline rules everyone is beholden to, reparative work for wrong doings, and a justice process?

                  https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination

                  This is the same essay Anark is referencing🤦‍♀️. Why not cite Bakunin, heck even Kropotkin‽ Why rereference the essay we have already read is being questioned for both legitimacy and reparative & rehabilitative justice?

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                    Because anarchy is not the question of reparative and rehabilitative justice, that’s cop talk. Justice is a liberal proposition, if you want to do anarchy, you must think bigger not liberal+.

                    If you want to talk justice, constitution, law, etc you can join your local social democracy party. Just stop calling yourself anarchist, stop diluting words.

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