• Slashme@lemmy.world
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        12 days ago

        The student picked up a stun grenade that had been thrown and it exploded in their hand.

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          12 days ago

          Yeah that’s the cops’ version. The students around said that they didn’t pick it up.

          Also, even if they did… Are you saying that a kid was at fault for picking up explosives thrown at them? That the only problem in the story, is that he grabbed it, otherwise everything else was fine?

          What the fuck.

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            11 days ago

            I completely agree that explosives should not be used against protestors.

            Still, I fail to see how a stun grenade can blow your hand off if it’s not in your hand.

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              That’s because you think a stun grenade’s only job is that it stuns, just like that.

              It’s a grenade. It explodes. That’s how it can blow off a hand if it hits one.

          • furry toaster@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            12 days ago

            if they did pick it up, why so?, this is not fucking COD where you just throw back granades, at most daring you should kick them, always run from them instead

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              12 days ago

              It’s a kid. Do you really expect a kid to know what to do when having grenades thrown at them?

              They are already fucking smarter than most of the population that just sits on their assss waiting for the world to collapse, but on top of that you expect them to have a proper rational immediate reaction when faced with military equipment?

              Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie (we’re talking about french cops, who rape a guy that they arrested in their car with their baton, enough to cause internal damage, and their version is that he fell on it. And yes, nothing happened to the cops), so it’s extremely moronic to even debate about the rightfulness of grabbing a grenade in this situation, since it just plays in the narrative of the fascists that try to shut down the protests by all means.

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                11 days ago

                Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie

                I mean yes, the cops lie a lot, but if the kid didn’t have the grenade in his hand, it seems implausible for it to have blown his hand off.

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                  11 days ago

                  Students around testified that the grenade landed in his hand. Also, it doesn’t matter whether he grabbed it or not.

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          12 days ago

          He was 15.

          However, regional newspaper La Voix Du Nord quoted a girl, who was reportedly standing near the teenager, as saying he did not pick up the grenade.

          “He didn’t pick it up. I was there, I saw it. He didn’t pick it up, he didn’t catch it,” she was quoted as saying.

          And

          Last week, Eden, 14, was badly hurt in Saint-Ouen-l’Aumône after reportedly being struck in the head by a tear gas grenade.

          The student suffered “a double jaw fracture” and had to undergo “extremely major surgery”, according to his lawyer. Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez has announced an investigation.

          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9zrdmxp4vy6o

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          12 days ago

          So, a cop threw a stun grenade that blew off a student’s hand. Ergo, a cop blew off a student’s hand.

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            12 days ago

            That’s a misrepresentation.

            Whether or not you want to hold the cop responsible is irrelevant.

            “a cop blew off a students hand” is intentionally omitting critical information.

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              12 days ago

              Was the stun grenade required?

              If it was not thrown, would it have been there for someone to pick up in an attempt to throw it and protect those around them?

              They could…like…just pay teachers more. No stun grenades needed to be used on unarmed civilians.

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                12 days ago

                Yeah I’m sure the cop thought “I wouldn’t have to do this shit if they payed teachers more” right before he threw the grenade.

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                  12 days ago

                  That’s not what I’m saying. The cop didn’t give a shit. He was just taking orders.

                  “They” are the people in power.

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                12 days ago

                None of that is relevant to the question of whether the statement “a cop blew off a students hand” accurately describes the event.

                You’re very obviously omitting key details with intent to mislead and it just undermines your position.

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                  12 days ago

                  I’m literally adding details.

                  You’re obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I’m saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.

                  What you’re doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.

                  Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could’ve been avoided.

                  So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.

                  So, kindly, stfu if you’re blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you’re defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.

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                    12 days ago

                    Oh please. I’m not defending anyone. I’m just pointing out the absurdity of your statement.

                    This kind of hyperbole might impress 16 year olds but in political discourse you just seem like an idiot.

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              12 days ago

              Cops shouldn’t have access to anything that could potentially blow off a person’s hand, especially not a thing made to be used in public.

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                12 days ago

                Again, that’s irrelevant.

                I don’t really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.

                If you’re trying to describe the event, “a cop blew off a students hand” is very obviously a misrepresentation.

                You’re welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn’t have been there or shouldn’t have been armed, but “a cop blew off a students hand” does not describe what happened.

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              12 days ago

              I threw a molotov at you, and you didn’t get out of the way correctly. You being on fire is your fault.

              Get fucked.

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        12 days ago

        Here in Bordeaux they just started gassing the legal movement super heavily, it was 100% peaceful (no shooting stuff or burning or even firecrackers) was moving for only 5 minutes (this is regular stuff, happens often). Old people, handicapped people, parents with strollers. My friend went to them (the riot police) and asked why they started to gas everyone and could they please let them (him) help people out (you get respiratory problems when you’re gassed, and people get disoriented, scared etc, people was on the floor, panicked), he got gassed.

        So this seems to be a biig “blunder”, I mean if they don’t just not give a fuck, which they don’t. They don’t listen? Well then it’s french riot time I guess.

        ✊🏼

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          12 days ago

          Before clicking on that link, guess how many people in the US are killed by police each year. Remember, this includes justified/self-defense kills, not just bad shootings. In a large country with an armed populous.

          How does the actual number compare to your guess?