• protist@retrofed.com
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    1 day ago

    Unions fought for that shit, bro, it wasn’t just “given.” This meme erases all their sacrifices

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      6 hours ago

      Meanwhile the middle class bots on reddit are endlessly crying about the UK raising the minimum wage. Yeah, how dare the poor get anything if it might slightly impact those on over £40k.

      Genuinely heard complaints that we can’t raise the minimum wage because it will make the cost of living worse.

      No longer on minimum wage myself, but I say crank it as hard as fucking possible, to just below the point it actually causes a significant increase in unemployment. Currently under 5% so its clearly NOT too high yet. I have enough now, I want the guy stacking the shelves in Tesco to have enough too.

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    1700s France had a middle class, I recommend that OP check it out.

    Our current governments’ dismantling of the middle class is against our long-term interests, but boy are they making a bloody fortune.

    The middle class is being dismantled by international interests, not nationalist. So they’re fine with destroying the bedrock middle class of the USA, because, for one example, China’s middle class is doing much better.

    They don’t want too many middle class, that hits their bottom line.

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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    Middle class used to mean the wealthy business owners who weren’t peasants but were also not gentry.

    Middle class meant people who owned businesses instead of either owning nothing or owning land.

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      And the “professional” class which believe it or not has a legal definition, but includes things like doctors and lawyers who might not necessarily own the business they’re paid relatively well to work for.

      Either way though, small business owners are getting forced out and the ones getting forced out fastest are the ones who understand what’s happening.

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      That’s the UK definition of middle class, which is still how they use the term.

      In countries without nobility and/or stratified more by wealth based class than hereditary social class, “neither poor nor rich” has been the rough definition since before my boomer parents’ parents were born roughly a century ago.

      • gwl [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Even UK included artisan class in middle class, people doing jobs that require immense amounts of training to do, such as Glovemakers and Jewellers and Tailors and Accountants, but don’t usually actually own their own business

  • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    People are like um actualchly middle class has always been around since blah blah and not , should there even be a “lower class” and people in poverty in the first place? Why do so many people think we need a system where poor people exist and deserve to be there because of whatever reasons can be made up.

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      Nice strawman. People are calling out “I’m 14 and this is edgy” crap like this post because they exhibit as much political education as the average maga. OP is 2 conspiracies away from blaming the Jews

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        You’re way off on this one. What kind of strawman are you talking about? I’ve seen comments talking about France in the 1700’s or the 1500’s.

        And what are you even trying to say? What conspiracies?? They’re asking why a system should have a lower class at all.

    • SpaghettiMaster@feddit.uk
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      Depends what you define it as. Willing to vote against the working class to benefit themselves starts from way lower.

    • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPM
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      Yes, you should go study history, specifically US political history, because not a single thing has changed from liberals since this country was created. They serve capital, they always will at the expense of the working class.

      • gwl [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        How is this even slightly related?

        My point is literally The Middle Class is not a new idea like you’re presenting it as, it’s been around since 1500 at the very least, but it’s likely as old as feudalism.

        Like you presenting it as a new idea is insulting to everyone from the past who’s fought against feudalism, royalism, and capitalism in the past.

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    The middle class is a socioeconomic structure of society that has existed since the development of agriculture and the resulting food security providing the opportunity for members of a society to do something other than obtain food.

    The well-defined and stratified middle class as seen today dates back to the late Middle Ages.

    Congrats on being systematically wrong.

    • GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPM
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      8 hours ago

      A historical middle class and a capitalist middle class are not the same animal. They serve different purposes.

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        Show your work.

        They serve the same purpose and are the only source of social and political revolution in the last thousand years.