The AfD is a Russian-Chinese asset.
AfD are fascists and supremacists. They just pool together with others in similar circles.
Trump: abandones europe and lies to them AfD: yooo we should get closer with trunp
Answer to the same masters
Well, the alternative would be admitting there’s something wrong with the far-right worldview, and attitude, which Trump represents.
Instead, you can just lie about what’s happening in geopolitics, like you lie about the domestic situation. EZ.
I would assume that the real alternative would be a right-wing -still bigoted- party that recognizes that Trump is retarded, recognizes that Russia is problematic & alongside all that they can still do the borderline fascist migrant policy & all that jazz. It’s really not that hard, alas they are really a Russian asset, they don’t really have people that actually believe all this crap. Perhaps we are lucky that they are, otherwise they could really sweep the elections like no one else has done in recent years.
… otherwise they could really sweep the elections…
You think they won’t?
It’s very unlikely they’ll get near 50% in the next two cycles. They can become the largest party, but luckily in German politics that’s not enough. Of course it’s still a dangerous situation if another party betrays their voters and allies with them.
Maybe? On this side of the Atlantic, toning down their message is the one thing the far-right can’t really do. Even suggesting that, within a party, would just mark you as a traitor.
The demographics of the far-right are pretty different over there, though, and so probably are the dynamics. Although, if you concede one form of nuance, you’re bound to concede more, and at some point you’re just another mainstream party.
Duh, the fascists want to stick together.
These are no mere fascists. These are nazis and an-caps. Truely worse than just fascists
Ancaps, in AfD? Do you have a source on that one?
Free trade, and everyone minding their own business, is more what the FDP is about. And pretty far away from closed borders and racial purity.
Beatrix von Storch
She doesn’t really read like a fan of personal autonomy and opponent of all political force, no.
Just like ancaps are.
Not in favor of any authority except the one they deem not an authority.
If we talk about ancaps idiots on the web the not-authority are Corporations, If we talk about ancaps idiots in politics the not-authority is themselves.
Also that is what Putin is paying them to do.
Before every Great War, some countrymen thought it would be a good idea to cuddle up to the enemy. They were always wrong.
always
AfD may be cosplaying “countrymen” and “nationalists”, but large parts are just Russian assets. They don’t think; they just cash in, all the while decrying that the “corrupt elites” are betraying the interests of the country. It’s mindblowing that people fall for this shit. But they do.
The second one, sure. The first one was a whole different dynamic. You didn’t even know which side you would be on, necessarily, until an archduke got shot, secret alliances came out and it started.
Does that include the CDU?
because Musk once of afds primary funders said so.
Putin said so.
And do their voters support this, or is it more ‘foreigners bad’ and then they don’t think about the rest?
As far as i can tell from those of my acquaintances who openly admit to vote vor AfD there is more or less the stance: “Germany first, loose cooperation with the US and Russia but always with the option to play one on the other or stab them in the back if the opportunity arises”… oh and yes: Foreigners bad. Perhaps with some very, very few exceptions like Dubai billionaires or the cliche hard working, diligent Asians…
Sigh…
The thing is, I struggle to see how ANYONE can look at the world today and imagine that a European country will be better off alone without the EU. ‘Foreigner bad’ is at least an undercurrent to all politics everywhere and at all times, and the mechanisms of finding scape goats is well known.
In Denmark, even the most eurosceptic parties have gone silent on the issue after watching Brexit unfold, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the US turning on Denmark and the rest of Europe.
I just can’t see how you can be that politically naive.
The thing is - and i have to admit that i sometimes fall myself into that trap - is thinking that maybe, maybe if we go back to the good old days of the 80s, when every country in the European Economic Union had its borders with border controls, had their own sovereign currency and was more or less independent, when the world was way, way smaller, industry more local and other countries where - at least in the mind of the average German - far away, things would be more easy.
But then i open my eyes again and realize… shit ain’t like that! It’s real fucked up!
I feel like Danish politics is somewhat more sane even by far right and far left standards.
Both :) Plus a “Russia is our friend! They were the good guy and our friend*!”
*said the east german propaganda
The latter.
You’d really think that with the entire rules-based order of free trade and multilateral agreements at stake, countries would have better foreign-asset antibody mechanisms. You’d want to expect that people would be able to spot obvious lies specifically designed to destroy their countries. You would be wrong.
As long as under-educated people are on the drip feed of oligarch-owned media (be they “social” or not), they’ll run into whichever direction the algorithm or the editors push them.
that’s a great idea Trump will be in power forever!
and always your friend!
he is famously consistent and reasonable.
We never learn do we? Around and around and around we go, never making progress, just the same old story of shit, repeated again and again. Fuck the AFD
trump has the receipts on everyone. This is the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, I just cannot fathom why such a decrepidly addled old coward has command of so many important figures.
I think it’s more like Putin (& Netanyahu) got the receipts (Epstein was selling to whoever was buying), Trump is just one of many puppets. I guess “we’ll cosy up to Trump” is supposed to sound better than “we’ll bend over for Putin”. But it’s the same thing
